An Interview with Hugo Salinas Price on a Return to a Silver Mexican Peso
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 3:20PM We, here at The Dollar Vigilante (TDV), have been big supporters of Hugo Salinas Price for years. Not just for his business exploits, which have made him a billionaire, but because he now spends a significant portion of his time trying to return silver as a monetary medium in his home country of Mexico.
Hugo Salinas PriceHe recently was quoted by King World News, stating that silver could be monetized as early as this year in Mexico and so we reached out to Hugo to get some clarification of what he believes may occur and what some of the repurcussions could be.
We'll let Hugo introduce himself, for those that don't know him, but to give you some background, Mr. Salinas Price founded Elektra, a multi-billion dollar electronics retailer which employs more than 37,000 people with more than 1,000 stores in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and Peru.
The Dollar Vigilante (TDV): Thank you very much for taking the time to speak with us today! Please introduce yourself and give some background on yourself to our audience.
Hugo Salinas Price (HSP): I am 79 years old, son of a Mexican father from the city of Monterrey, Mexico, and of an American mother from Bryn Athyn, Pa., where I was born. My education was largely in English-speaking schools. I married early, at 22, and my wife and I are looking forward to our 57th Anniversary later this year. I did not finish any college course for a BA (Editor's Note: Yet another "uneducated" billionaire as per our recent blog post: Debtucation);
I decided to devote myself to some productive work at age 20 and so I am mostly self-educated. As luck would have it, I managed to build a tiny company building radios into a chain of small stores selling durable consumer goods in installments to the public. After 38 years of one single job, I turned over management entirely to my eldest son, and he has been very successful, indeed. It's certainly not my fault I am considered a "billionaire" - this was my eldest son's doing, he is to blame for it entirely.
However, monetary affairs have always fascinated me, and in "retirement" I was able to devote myself to thinking through the problem of instability in modern society. Thus, I arrived at the question of silver money, in 1995, when I wrote a little book "Silver - The Road for Mexico" (available only in Spanish). Thus began the long journey which has given meaning and purpose to my old age.
TDV: Where in Mexico do you live?
HSP: I live in Mexico City, same house since 1959.
TDV: You have been very active in lobbying the Mexican Government to integrate silver into the money system. Could you please expand on this?
HSP: First, I want to make it clear that my campaign for silver does NOT mean backing the Mexican peso with silver. I am not proposing anything so radical as a general reform of the Mexican monetary system - simply because such a program would cause so much disruption and grief while people adapted to it, that it is politically impossible; and so it is useless to spend time working on something so "far out".
Mexican Silver LibertadWhat I propose is simply to give a quoted monetary value to a one-ounce pure silver coin which already exists, the "Libertad" ounce (editors note: Libertad means freedom in Spanish). This coin has no engraved value upon it, and it would be given a QUOTED monetary value by the Central Bank; the quoted monetary value would always be slightly higher than the market price of a silver ounce, and when the price of silver rises, the Central Bank is to adapt to that situation by giving the coin a higher price. When the price of silver falls, the last quote remains in place, so that the quoted value can never diminish, only rise to accommodate the higher market price of silver.
By this means, something very important would happen: the silver coin would remain permanently in circulation with paper money; the silver coin would never be melted down, because higher prices of silver would simply mean a higher monetary value for the coin. Of course, people would save these coins, the demand for them would be enormous. But they could also use these coins for payments in emergencies or for investments. An excellent and simple way to save!
There is in the world today, no real alternative to fiat money - fake money. All currencies of the world are equally void of any intrinsic worth. Monetizing the "Libertad" ounce would give Mexicans an alternative and simple way of saving, in money that is truly money, because it is made of silver. Savings in "Libertad" ounces would provide every family with a nest-egg of great importance, as it would consist of coins which cannot be devalued by the State, with a totally liquid value.
TDV: OK, this clarifies things a lot. So, your goal here is not to fully back the Peso with silver.
HSP: Yes, as I said before, I am NOT for "backing the Peso with silver". I am striving to have a single silver coin, the one-ounce pure silver "Libertad", MONETIZED by means of a monetary quote to be issued by the Central Bank.
The Government of Mexico, just like the Governments of every single country in the world today, allows the Central Bank to inflate the money supply through the banking system. Not one of the world's governments is ever going to willingly stop inflating!
The monetized one-ounce pure silver "Libertad" will provide an excellent refuge for savers who want to preserve the value of their savings for their old age, for the education of their children, or simply to eat when hard times strike. It would be the first and (for a time) the only true alternative money in the world of the 21st Century.
TDV: In other words, the Mexican central bank can keep inflating under this proposal.
HSP: Neither the Mexican government nor ANY GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD will ever swear off of inflating the money supply and expanding credit when it can be done. That's why we need the alternative money, which can be said to be "indexed" to the market price of silver.
TDV: Why would the Mexican government give the “Libertad” a quoted monetary value? Does this mean that someone can pay a certain amount of pesos for the coin and then, if the peso value of silver halves, they can sell it back to the Central Back for the same price that they purchased it for? Wouldn’t the Central Bank have an incentive to print enough money so that the peso value of silver never falls?
HSP: The institution giving the coin a quoted monetary value would not be the Mexican government, it would be the Central Bank, in obedience to Legislation passed by the Mexican Congress, which has the constitutional authority to instruct the Central Bank on this matter.
About "selling the coin back to the Central Bank" for the same price they paid for it, when silver has fallen in bullion value: Yes, they could, but no one in his right mind would do this. The Mexican peso which circulated for 25 years (1920-1945), of which 458 million were minted, contained silver which fell in value sharply during the Depression, yet not one of those pesos was ever returned for PAPER. Gresham's Law, you know. No one ever exchanges better money for worse money.
Printing pesos to keep the peso price of silver up, means inflating and devaluing the peso against the dollar, in which currency silver is quoted in world markets. The Central Bank would have no reason to do this.
TDV: We have been debating your proposal amongst some members of the Austrian economics community. Some state that silver is too volatile to use as an alternative currency at this time… they prefer gold. What are your thoughts on using silver versus gold?
HSP: The monetization of the silver ounce would cause a demand for it that would tend to smooth out the volatility, which I suspect in any case is due to manipulation of the silver market. The best way to combat that manipulation is to create a great demand for physical silver which would put the shorts out of business.
Talk of a return to gold is important, as it fosters a re-orientation of thinking which is indispensable - from the paper of the last 40 years, to gold, that will give more long-lasting benefits to humanity. Eventually, we'll have to get past the "talking" stage and move on to action; however, no one has a clue, at this point, on how to get from paper to gold!
Monetizing the silver "Libertad" coin is a FIRST STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. It does not fix everything, it does not reform everything, it is painless and it is very, very attractive to people. This, my friends, is the only practical way to get anywhere in life!
To quote an old, old song, "I don't want to set the world on fire, No baby, I'm contented - with a flame in your heart".
TDV: Nice touch. Just for the record, we here at TDV are fully in favor of setting the monetary world on fire if need be to rid ourselves of these central banks and governments! But we also appreciate the prudence in taking it one step at a time as you are attempting to do with the silver Libertad.
On other matters, we recently wrote a blog piece about the vibrancy of the Mexican economy (The Rumors of Mexico's Death Have Been Greatly Exaggerated). What are your overall thoughts about the state of Mexico and it’s economy?
HSP: We're looking great, considering the fiscal chaos in the USA with its $1 Trillion-plus budget deficits as far as the eye can see. We need to have our people save lots of silver, to face the coming readjustments in the US economy, which will be very painful, indeed.
TDV: Thank you very much sir for your time and your efforts to try to bring some sort of sanity to the monetary system.
In closing, this is a small but potentially inspiring move to bring something solid into the monetary system. It could set off a rush, even by the neighboring Americans, to get their hands on the silver Peso, which could even lead to the US Government having to do something it is supposed to do in the Constitution but hasn't done for decades: coin money in gold and silver through a "silver dollar".
We wish Mr. Salinas Price the best of luck and thank him for his work in this field.
Reader Comments (6)
One thing we should remember is that when Gold was money , wars for fought for the gold. With that gold they then fought for more land and gold. A return to silver or gold as a standard of monetary system will likely create as many problems as it solves.
I'm betting one of the reasons to get away from Gold and Silver with the feds was to put more value on other commodities. Wouldn't it be cool to see the platinum standard or the carrot dollar.
It takes an order of the Congress to have the Mint put out a certain coin in metal, which is a small increase in circulating money (but debt-free money!). I'd like to see Libertads or any other legitimate domestic or foreign coin recognized as Dollars for payment of debt public and private, with a small premium over melt (3%?). Current US $50 coin (1ozLiberty) is wildly undervalued for tax paying purposes and should be floated + premium. Tax returns should be optionally delivered as gold or silver coin to encourage saving in precious metal.
HSP is right about saving. People wouldn't have to become speculators in an attempt to hold their savings even as purchasing power. Regular people wouldn't save more, but government would find it impossible to steal that savings by fiat currency printing. Thus, people who did save in silver would feel (& be) more secure, more future-oriented, and less prone to holding out a hand as a tax-feeder.
What Mr. Price is proposing is simple and potentially very effective. A few of The U.S.A.-American states have legalized certain gold and/or silver coins to be accepted as legal tender, and not according to their ridiculous face-values, but rather according to the coin's/coins' current market value(s).
The potential to create a network of states and businesses that accept reputable, precious-metal coins according to their precious-metal content and current market value cannot be ignored. The "denominations" would not be artificial, monetary units. Rather, the "denominations" would be troy weights of precious metals of a stated purity. Their "artificial, monetary value" would tend to hold steady or increase over time. This is something that you never see with fiat money.
Centuries ago, the British realized the value of this concept, and "The Pound Sterling" came into being, with sub-denominations created of specific, fractional weights of sterling silver. The smallest denominations were composed of copper; a respectable metal for small monetary denominations. Of course, the British pound is today a fiat currency that is an insult to its brilliant origins.
--R.H.E.
Huntingdon, PA., T.U.S.O.A.
I think they trick is to repeal legal tender laws. Coins should be of a certain weight, with no national currency denomination on them. Make it legal for people to transact with them, and see if the free market accepts them. Mr. Price's suggestion sounds too complicated to me.
Mark: You can't seriously be suggesting that if we actually instituted a real money (a money backed by something so that politicians could not use inflation as a stealth tax) that it would cause more wars? The exact opposite is the case. EVERY major war in the 20th century (and so far in the 21st) was only made possible AFTER each of the countries DELINKED their currency from gold. When the money is backed by gold then politicians need to get everyone to increase their taxes dramatically for any war... and no one ever wants that... so they always have to drop the gold linkage and then use inflation to pay for the war. A fiat currency enables wars, a gold-backed currency makes wars impossible.
This guy makes sense and it aligns with my own theory of how they'll bring on the 'Amero'. The U.S., Canada and Mexico have to become close to economic and financial equals. The U.S. has to come down financially. Mexico has to come up financially. Canada is poised with PM mines to go online. American banks have been stockpiling paper reserves. Mexico has been stockpiling silver ounces in their banks. Allow the dollar to crash. Watch PM's skyrocket in value and - Voila! - almost instant financial equality spanning U.S., Canada and Mexico. So then it would make perfect sense to share a common currency - the Amero, or whatever. Just sayin'...